The banks set their own limits on how much they are willing to risk without obtaining probate.Lynne. If it is simply her account, then you need to close it and open an estate account in your name as administrator. In her will, all three adult children are both equal executors and beneficiaries. Instead of avoiding the probate fee, not only does the account still go into the estate, but you may also have to pay for a lawsuit to determine your mother's intention in making the account joint. The will states she was leaving everything (her house, bank accounts and investments ) to my mom and appointing me as executor. My mother died in Feb 2017 and her account was at RBC. Thanks in advance for your input. I've looked everywhere about the time to disburse Estate proceeds and the longest I can come up with is 24 months, or so??? Neither happened. You then take the drafts and deposit them into the estate account. The bank also notified me that they can't open an account in branch and I would have to wait 2 weeks for the estate account to be set up. Thanks, Yes, the executor has complete control over the bank account.No, the executor cannot take executor fees until either the beneficiaries agree (usually by signing a release) or the court orders it.Yes, the executor can close the account at any time, but it would be pretty unusual to close it if there were still estate funds.Lynne. What can I do? Will I have to fly to that province to sign the cheques or is there something that is sent to the bank to release the cheques with only one signature? Before closing an account, it is important to check to see if there are any automatic payments from or to the account. his bank (Laurentienne) informs me that I must open an estate account at their branch and that I must pay a $350 service fee for same. Scotiabank's Getting There Savings Program for Youth is one of the best youth accounts in the country. But bank policy about the probate requirement is made at the higher levels and the local branches only have so much flexibility. I'm frustrated just reading your note; I can just imagine how frustrated you must be. Thank you. I just received an insurance cheque made out to " The Estate of ". There is nothing else to pay out now. An "estate" refers to assets you owned at the time of death. If you are a co-owner with right of survivorship then the assets become yours automatically upon death and are not part of the estate. Is it necessary to wait for probate to be completed? If not, you might try escalating your request up through the bank's channels until you find someone willing to actually make the simple change. What purpose it serves would only be a guess on my part. They are the ones trying to follow the law. Banks drive me nuts, for exactly the kind of thing you've just described.Lynne. CIBC requested personal ID documentation for each and every beneficiary on the account which I supplied although I was hesitant to believe the Money Laundering Act actually requires it. Now the bank is on the hook for the full funds because they released the funds to the wrong person. It clearly names me as the Estate Trustee. Is there anyway around this? Open an account online in about 20 minutes or apply in-branch. If anyone goes to jail or pays a fine or whatever else the fallout might be, again, that's you, not the bank. Is there a specific issue or problem or situation in your case that would be best served by having the lawyer control the funds? If you have provided a notarial copy of the will and a notarial copy of the death certificate, that should be enough for the bank to establish that you are the executor. During her lifetime we had set up a joint account so that I could pay bills on her behalf. We went to a lawyer to arrange probate for my Aunt's Estate, and were planning to go to a bank to set up an estate bank account. However, a year has passed and she is reluctant to distribute half of the account to me. bank accounts (includes foreign banks) Shares, bonds, trust units, options, mutual funds, TFSAs, RRSPs, RRIFs vehicles such as cars, trucks, boats, motorcycles, trailers situated in or outside Ontario goods or material Otherwise, this could end up being worked out with lawyers for the bank, which in my experience is like hitting your head repeatedly on a brick wall.Lynne. What if there was a mortgage on the property (there isn't). Absolutely unacceptable.You said that "she" sent funds from "her" bank account so I assume that is his wife. The executor is also a 50% beneficiary of the estate and the amount of the loan is less then 15% of the value of the estate. Keep the concept of the executor's year in mind. Hi Lynne, great blog.My husband recently went to the TD in Guelph Ontario to open an estate account for his mom. Start Schedule A by plugging in the grand total from the final Inventory of Assets into Schedule A. i still have a joint back account that is open. The last bank draft amount is large of course but way under 100K as in total that's approximately what each would get after taxes and expenses. The bank will probably insist on having both signatures if the account is set up to require both signatures. My mother passed away January 19, 2020. My mother maintains the joints account she had with my grandmother who passed away 4 years ago. There is enough money in the account to pay the lump sum payments and still cover any surprises that may come up before final tax clearance is issued. If you want to discuss the case with me, call my office at 79-221-5511 and make an appointment for a telephone conference at your convenience. Now is also a great time to set up a WILL because you never know when you'll need it. If the assets you have mentioned in your note are the only assets in the estate, you do not have to probate the will. Thank-you Alyssa. It has been over 2 weeks now, I have not heard from the branch and I have no access to anything online.My question is why am I being denied any access what would be happening to the accounts that I can't access them and what is taking so long? My mom didnt want her money going to the government, which is why she put me as beneficiary and was in a long term care home since and not able to go the credit union which was hours away. Is this really the case? CIBC are certainly entitled to require my ID as sole trustee. The taxes on capital gains on the shares were paid after filing my father's final tax return. My mother-in-law passed away one month ago, she was in an assisted living apartment. I don't need the money but want this to be resolved. I asked if i can close the account and open one that says Sara Smith, Administrator of the Estate of Jane Doe and they said no. I know taxes will need to be paid next year. My brother lives two provinces away. I have all the receipts and this will be documented in the final accounting but I realize this may not entirely be legal. I am in the process of opening an estate account for these commissions to go into and need to know if the funds will be accessible to me for paying bills & mortgage etc. If you waste or steal the estate, that's not on them; it's on you. Estate settlement services are offered through National Bank subsidiaries. Payable on death accounts A bank account where a beneficiary is named is called a payable on death (POD) account. it's a small cheque and likely the only one going to be issued to the estate. I am in BC. Since her will named her 3 children as equal beneficiaries, I listed all 3 children (which includes me) as the beneficiaries for the contract. Not at all a fan of RBC, in fact in the process of switching banks myself. Perhaps the house would fetch more if it were repaired and restored, but the executors will have to balance that off against the cost of repairs, the cost of insurance and property tax during that time, the odds that the market will stay strong, how much of a gain in price there is likely to be, and the patience (or lack of it) on the part of the beneficiaries. If that is the case, what exactly are you expecting CRA to give you? Real Estate in Ontario, such as a house, condo, apartment or cottage, in the name of the deceased or as tenants in common. You tell them. My mother passed, without a will. Keep all estate funds separate from your own. In my experience, none of the banks are very good at handling estates. All Canadian banks apparently have their own rules regarding estate accounts and probate. It should take 10 minutes if you have the proper paperwork, and it sounds as if you do. So with Mom's money and the estate cheque it would be around $5,000. You may not need to get probate. I only want 50%. The bank says that the 3 kids are the beneficiaries of the RSPs so why do you feel that you can legally put that money into the estate account? An estate representative administers a deceased person's estate. Hi Lynne, i am sole beneficiary of my mothers estate. Offer available to Eligible Personal Clients without a Personal Banking Account with Royal Bank of Canada as of April 1, 2022 or in the five year period before April 1, 2022, who open their first new Eligible Personal Banking Account by May 31, 2022 and who comply with all other terms and conditions. HI Lynn, My case is very complicated,it started with the land my mum bought 5 acres of land in Fiji and she got her first cousin Vana to handle things to sell the land which mum got many offers even for $450,000.00 but mum trusted her daughter-in-laws family the lawyer she hired and her cousin in Fiji.when our beloved mother passed away notary Sublock Sublock never even got mum to sigh her Will even though we paid $170 fee for that one home visit Mr.Sublock refused to help us and we sent mum's old Will which was Notarized and the Fiji Courts refused to accept it and my dad was next of kin now they said Vana and fiji lawyer Ulamila Tuipuku said that my dad needs to do a Probate and I sent $3,500 for court/lawyer/probate and months down the road Vana and Ulamila said that the court won't accept the Probate that they wanted her in my Dad's WIll which he "WE HAD A DEAD LINE OR LOSE THE LAND " we said that was crazy and we went through with that and so so and we went through Mr. Sablock again because he had the history regarding the land and my mum's information etc.My dad wanted to sell the land because there was squatters on the land and two churches was already built on land without permission and you wonder who was minding the place.When I made an offer to a performance on the land Vana was so upset she was yelling and I said okay you have 6 weeks and she said she already had the money and we'll we waited and waited for the paper work.When I tried from May 2012 til Feb 2013 to get the lawyer to send papers yo sell the land she was making all kinds of excuses and we sent thousands of dollars for court cases and the land .The thing is after my dad passed away the first thing Vana said is remember that I'm the excutor on the Will and no one can go above me and I was do she said none of your kids can go above my head and this just to show she knew what she was doing .We'll after all that she said that the land is in her name and the lawyer who was supposed to be working for my dad was working for her and went against both my parents. If the judge is not fully satisfied with it, you may be directed to prove the will more formally.Lynne, Lynne,I hope you can help. Lynne. If you are not applying for probate for any other reason, I don't see why you would apply for it because of a small cheque. You said they are waiting for a form to be received at the bank, but from whom? I have set up an estate account. She isn't in the running here. Mom's bank had temporarily closed here in this town due to the Covid-19 so I would have to go to the City talk to them in the branch. There are RSP's that are to be transferred into the estate account to help pay for the funeral. The first stage of estate planning is preparation. It's a fairly small estate, about 80k in RIFF's, chequing account. My husband passed away recently, I am the sole beneficiary and executor of all accounts, TFSA, GIC's. To open any bank or investment account, you'll need a taxpayer ID number for the estate, which is itself a taxpayer. I was joint POA with my brother, but my mother only added my name to her bank assets, explaining to them that she wanted me to have Right of Survivorship on all assets. I could look at them online, print transaction records, and transfer funds in or out if necessary or as required. Asked by: Ozella Braun | Last update: February 9, 2022. Does the executor have the right to take the funds to any bank? I just found out that the bank where the estate accounts exist is increasing fees for idle/dormant accounts (which these are, essentially) and I'd like to avoid being nickel and dimed for service fees. The estate is valued under 20000 dollars so we are not applying for probate. Appreciate your comments, Ed, Ed, your note rings alarm bells for me. My mother's will has her 3 children as executors. Hello, I have a two-part question.I am the executor listed in the will of my deceased mother. I am also sole executor of the will. However, to get the balance or the transactions, I have to call in and get whatever information I can. Does the annual audit of accounts reflect this inaction? Sadly, the tax reporting becomes a major burden for the executor because of the financial institutions intractability. This bit about the banks not allowing executors to open an estate account until probate has been granted is relatively new, and only works for the bank. Instead I seem to be stuck mingling assets with my own money, which seems like a terrible idea. This had to go to their Head Office and it would take about 2 weeks. investments of 25k held at multiple institutions), is it right for the bank to request probate for the operation of the estate account? my father passed away and only had $960, which was held in trust by an organization. Both executors should be on the account. Two convenient options: Pay annually and save - $39.50 per yea Their process says I should have received a written agreement that is to be signed and returned to them. Have a great day. Something like that might make a bank reluctant to accept the will without the backing of the court. As long as the executors are being reasonable and acting in good faith, they are carrying out their duty.Lynne. Clip: "If you're an executor, however, you can open the [estate] account at any time once you take charge of the estate. I am the sole beneficiary of my wifes will and the executor. Also consider the fact that when a lawyer holds funds in trust, the interest earned on the funds is paid to the Law Foundation and not to clients. I don;t know what is happening in this particular estate that might make the executor think that. Should I see if the back will do so as it did previously as it knows me or just go to set up a estate account?Thank you for your feedback. I'm not aware of anyone charging a fee of $350 for an executor's account either, so I can't explain the rationale behind it.As long as you have properly been appointed by the will as the executor, then the bank must release the funds to you. How an estate is distributed The money belongs in his estate, which has to be used to pay off any debts or taxes he might owe. Canadian Western Bank (CWB) is the only full-service bank in Canada with a strategic focus to meet the unique financial needs of businesses and their owners. This is because a grant of probate is an order of the court that indemnifies everyone who follows it. The mistake is just as much yours, as a person under a POA instructing them to do something you weren't allowed to do in the first place.I know this probably isn't the answer you wanted, but that's how I see it.Lynne, Hi Lynne. We listen to you and create a comprehensive plan that sets out how you will transition your wealth. I attempted to open an estate bank account along with my co-executor and was told I would have to wait until the Court issues the probate letters. This account is available for all youth under 18 years of age. I think I have been reasonable, but am now also very unsatisfied by the response by the ombudsman's office and told them that when they called yesterday to 'loop back' on my complaint. Could I be charged with fraud?Thank you for your blog BTW, it's been very informative and helpful. Based on your comment in the second paragraph, how would this apply to funds held with a financial institution in an investment account?If I am executor of my father's estate, and he had an investment account of $500,000, does the financial institution have to pay it out to me as executor if I instruct them to?Isn't it basically standard practice for them to require a probated will before they will liquidate an investment account?Thanks. Hi LyneI am the executor of my mother's estate . My mother died a few months later, after which my brother claimed he had no money. I received a cheque made payable to the Estate of my son with my name as well. I would suggest opening an estate account. BMO Business Builder 1 Monthly Fees: $22.50 Transactions: 35 free transactions per month | Unlimited Moneris transactions Monthly Deposits: $2,500 cash deposits How To Sign Up: Link All of her finances had us listed as 50/50 beneficiaries and have been paid out to us, including her bank account of 24000. Once you are proven to be the executor, the bank has no control over what you do with the money because they bear no liability. As a result, few executors know, relying on the issued (or not-issued!) There are two other executors and decisions are to be made unanimously. Our lawyer said there was no need to probate as the will clearly spells out who the beneficiary is and there is only the savings account which would be used to pay expenses and the rest to the beneficiary. They have no say over what an executor does with an estate account. No probate is required. She had no assets other than a savings account. You can apply for an ID number online, at www.irs.gov. Can she claim the whole monthly amount for the past two years on our moms estate who recently passed with severe dementia? My father had a joint investment account with my sister with a right of survivorship which held shares and cash which the bank has put into her name to deal with as she sees fit. I'm very glad you got this resolved quickly.Lynne. Lynne. Thanks Lynne! The bank has no say on what or who gets paid. Thanks for your help. After someone passes away, their assets and debts will need to be accounted for and managed. Estate Planning. The manager has told me that if she isn't available one of the other manager can help.Well, today is that day. The bank has all information needed, and said that it should only take a day or two to have funds transferred. Unfortunately, often the only feasible solution is for the accountant to prepare worksheets, pieced together from whatever data can be determined, allocating assets and incomes into pre- and post-death portions, for reasonable, if not precise, tax reporting. Depending on how long you keep the funds untouched and whether you pair it with a premium chequing account, you can earn up to 4.60% on your savings (includes limited-time bonuses). Since I haven't heard from the bank I have taken the money she had in there and put it in a separate account at my bank and it will sit in there until everything is done. Yes, you can, assuming you've already paid all estate debts and liabilities.Lynne. Can Laurentienne refuse to transfer the funds from my decesased uncle's account to BMO? Or do they receive (in my case, beneficiaries are to receive monthy from estate) beginning when the funds are ready to be dispursed? Thank you. What are the alternatives if a bank will not open an estate bank account without probate? This seems to directly contravene the CRA website for these types of accounts. I was told by a lawyer that since the death happened in Quebec (where he was living), that I do not have to put the money through probate in BC, No, you should not need probate if the estate was handled in Quebec. Neither of those situations is ideal, but you can only work with the situation you're in.Lynne. Accounts are not always frozen. If you are the administrator, who has set up the estate account?Is the account actually an estate account, or is it simply your sister's account that was in place at the time she died? If all is well, the probate order will verify the will is valid. The will called for my sister and I to each receive 45% of the proceeds and the other 10% would be distributed evenly among my sisters two kids and my two kids. Our property is the same size. When he passed, he had a bit of money in the bank. I just received a govt cheque made out to the estate of my mom care of myself for her OAS payment. Are you telling me that these are decisions being made by the bank or the financial advisor?? I am the executor to my deceased elder sister's estate. While I find this admirable in spirit, I am concerned as an executor whether executors can in fact make gifts that are not specifically covered in the will, especially as there are other residual beneficiaries involved. This might be repairing and restoring or it might not. Do I just issue cheques from the estate account and the cancelled cheque is proof? My mother passed away in mid-March. All he did was tell the banks that she had terminal cancer,(one bank employee stated she was told, he was consolidating my mother's assets, she called their lawyer, who told them it was okay to give him the money) and they released the money, prior to her death. What can I do? You are the one with the liability and the responsibility so tell them to back off and let you do your job. One is that the two of you work it out between you. Make sure the bank realizes that this is the only asset of the estate.Lynne. I charge $400 for that.Lynne. We have since sold her house and the lawyer is going to have the cheque made out "to the estate of" and would like us to agree on who will receive the cheque to deposit. Can the power of attorney for his will assume control of our mothers estate? Doing otherwise is theft or fraud.Lynne. Plug in values from the estate account into the appropriate schedule under the correct category. My dad passed away and has no will, no assets, no liabilities, no bank account. An Estate account is a different kind of account - it is a new account opened after someone has passed away, into which the Executor deposits the deceased person's money, from which the Executor pays the deceased person's debts and bills, and from which the Executor ultimately distributes funds to . That's interesting. I received a letter to say that Mom didn't qualify for the Canada Pension Death Benefit as she didn't pay in for enough years. Rather than looking to legislation, it would probably be a better use of your time to go into the bank and have a chat with the manager and see what their policies are.Lynne. The other is to ask the funeral home to wait until the house sells. You may have to show some of these to justify your expenses in the future.Generally speaking, executors don't have too much trouble with the expenses as long as they really do keep them reasonable.Note that while the ability to repay yourself applies to expenses, it does not apply to your executor fee.Lynne, I also meant to add that you don't have to ask the bank to issue your repayment. I hope that things weren't as loosely organized as your letter suggests. . So far I have issued one cheque to myself and one to my sister in equal amounts, (as will states it is 50-50 between us) and we are leaving several thousand in the account to cover bills as they come in. He had no will. My sister was POA for mom. Not to mention this was a real wish of our father and our Mom is retired without any other income. My mother learned the hard way that her money was not as 'safe' in the banks as she thought. She has money due to her from the other UK source, but when I asked for the overseas sort code for her account I was told the deposit wouldn't be accepted because the account is not yet an estate account.Mylawyer tells me TD is even worse to deal with re estates, bottom line is check with a bank about their estate account policies before you have a bureaucratic nightmare on your hands. The strategy is usually accomplished through the writing of a Will and establishing Powers of Attorney and similar documents. I am executor of the will. "Is that the case in every province or are their provincial differences? I have been sent a cheque as final payment for caregiving services. Apparently the estate wing of the bank does not inform the local branch where the papers were scanned if there is a problem. Hope this helps others who deal with RBC regarding non probated wills. All the estate assets have since been liquidated and deposited to the CIBC estate account, and now CIBC has locked the funds and is refusing to distribute the funds until such time as each and every beneficiary appears at a branch of CIBC, identifies themselves with the previously provided ID's and signs the account application. So out of her account I paid for her last medications so it is a fully paid now. We have updated this page to reflect the transition to the 2021 version of the National Occupational Classification (NOC).This means that the occupation "estate secretary" was moved from the group Legal administrative assistants (NOC 1242) to the group Legal administrative assistants (NOC 13111). I advised my husband to find another bank, because after I talked to the TD Manager, wanting to understand what they told him, the branch manager talked over me too. Will probate be necessary for this? I have not received anything in writing other than a few emails. On the Statement of Death I was named as next of kin as I was always the one with Mom taking care of her affairs. Hi Boobes,Trying to understand your question. we are now waiting to hear from CRA, and if everything is ok he will apply for clearance certificate. TD won't cash the cheque, saying it needs to go into an estate account. Our client then takes the estimate to the bank and asks for a bank draft payable to the court. We have cheques to deposit, but dont know where to put them now. On the other hand, if you stepped down properly, who became the executor in your place? However this has affected how the tax slips have been filled in. I don't know who works at the legal departments for banks, but they seem to know absolutely squat about estate paperwork. After it is all said and done the money will be divided between all 5 of us. No, I don't think you can deposit it to your personal account or cash it. Stop letting them tell you things they have no right to decide. I want to ask my question to the bank but can I get your consent first? I don't want to probate because our wills were joint as was everything in our lives. The other is that a judge figures it out for you, which of course means legal fees to be paid.Lynne. The client is now deceased and her power of attorney signed the cheque although I do not believe it was a joint account as only the deceased name is on the cheque. If you're using a bank account, you'd have to do the deposits and payments etc yourself but you wouldn't be paying legal fees on those transactions.I have occasionally used my trust account in this way but it's usually for a specific reason such as co-executors who don't work well together and want a neutral third person as a buffer. I somehow doubt this, but if yes, what additional documentation would be required?2.What are the ramifications of moving money from her account as it is today to myself for repayment? . 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