Clutching at straws there headhunter. The official UEFA observer, Gunter Schneider, despite evidence to the contrary, said, "Only the English fans were responsible. Twenty-five English football fans involved in the Heysel stadium disaster have been extradited to Belgium. It was a tragedy for which many were culpable, but 20 years on, as the clubs prepare to meet for the first time since that night in Brussels, Liverpool and their supporters are still struggling to come to terms with their part in the disaster. I remember being waved into the stadium by the police without being asked to show our tickets, and at a time when Liverpool were usually the only English club in Europe, I remember being on the ferry to France, with people wearing Liverpool scarves, but with tee shirts bearing the name of one or two other English teams underneath, so John Smith was right about that. By Nick Craven and James Fielding and Sukhmani Sethi For Mailonline, Published: 10:53 EST, 18 January 2023 | Updated: 15:39 EST, 18 January 2023. The source said she had been using the trust fund to pay for the course at the drama school. The comments below have been moderated in advance. Adesso quando penso a Liverpool mi si associano due idee molto contrastanti: i Beatles e lHeysel. Do you want to automatically post your MailOnline comments to your Facebook Timeline? Mr Gordons conviction relates to a Floida attack on a woman in her early 20s when he was 14. 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The couple then walked to Anchor Lane Bridge, where they got a taxi to Liverpool before getting another to Harwich, Essex. Reds supporters notably booed the national anthem during the 2021/22 FA Cup final at Wembley. On the anniversary of the day of the Hillsborough disaster, you always have somebody throw in well what about paying respect for the 39 that Liverpool Fans murdered. It is believed Ms Marten became estranged from her family because of her relationship with Gordon, however, is thought to still have access to her family's funds. Much kudos to you fair and balanced I wish more Liverpool fans would read it and not use the clubs sanitized version, believe the seeds for this disaster were sown the previous year. Potrebbe essere la pi bella azione di Michel Platini .. Grazie per aver il tempo di rispondere e di procedere a tali commenti riflessivo. As someone who attended Heysel with my dad, there are one or two omissions in Olivers wonderful piece. Then of course you have the fact that many rival supporters of other Italian clubs still use it as a cheap way to have a dig at them (by waving LFC scarves and banners, singing offensive songs etc), which will be something LFC fans can all relate to. I shall never forget it, nor the shock and sadness I saw on the faces of real Liverpool fans as we travelled home in the night and the news trickled in of what had happened. Les Lawson, secretary of the Merseyside branch of the official Liverpool Supporters' Club, believes the time is right for an apology, and many of his members agree. And yet none of this diminishes the clubs or the supporters right to grieve or to campaign or to express anger over what happened in Sheffield four years later. I came home that day, a changed person, and hated football for a while. What should have been the greatest day in many fans and players lives became the biggest tragedy in European competition. The change from 96 to 97 is in recognition of Andrew Stanley Devine, the 97th person unlawfully killed as a result of the Hillsborough disaster. A source told the Sunday Times that Ms Marten had access to a trust fund, reportedly from a multimillion-pound trust stored at C. Hoare & Co - the UK's oldest private bank. The views expressed in the contents above are those of our users and do not necessarily reflect the views of MailOnline. Actually, they might have a point, even if they raise it out of malice rather than consideration for the bereaved. Thirty-nine peoplemostly Italians and Juventus fanswere killed and 600 were injured in the confrontation. Shades of 89 in the pre mobile phone era, nor shall I forget my Dad telling me of the hours he spent on the phone to a hospital in Brussels as they read out a list of the names of the dead & injured. There is no mention of Heysel anywhere in the These tickets were sold to Italian immigrants and Belgians, who were separated from their rivals by a chicken-wire fence and a line of reluctant, inexperienced police. As a result of the events that unfolded on April 15, 1989, at the FA Cup semi-final against Nottingham Forest, 97 children, women and men lost their lives. The most important aspect of May 29, 1985, were the 32 Italians, 4 Belgians, 2 French people and 1 Northern Irish man: 39 human beings that lost their lives. That's when the charge started. > This is an extended version of an article that originally appeared in The Times. Save my name, email, and website in this browser for the next time I comment. In the reports of the game there dis no mention of the disaster, just that penalty! At approximately 7 PM, local time, fans on both sides of the divide began picking up broken stones from the crumbling terrace construction, and hurling them over the fence. There followed the most shocking scenes witnessed even in the dark days of the 80s, as Liverpool fans rampaged, Juve's supporters who had breached their end retaliated, and the overwhelmed police struggled to regain order. Maybe thats as much the fault of the media as us, but cant help feeling that we, through fans groups and forums, could express such feelings with more vigour and intent. Hai ragione a dire che quella tragica serata erano tutti da biasimare. and 39 innocent victims lost their lives. How many Liverpool fans died at Hillsborough disaster? To do this we will link your MailOnline account with your Facebook account. The simple rule that makes dieting easy: Only eat foods with fewer than FIVE ingredients - so can you guess how many are in these 'healthy' snacks? "As soon as we got to Ostend and saw the reporters waiting we realised the party was over," Allt says. Approach Anfield from any direction and you are immediately - and properly - confronted by Hillsborough. At Hillsborough, Liverpool were unquestionably the victims of gross, lethal negligence by the authorities, a truth established only after a courageous, dignified struggle by the families of the dead. The idea of having the Z section in place was for it to serve as a buffer zone between the opposition fans in Liverpools sections, labelled X and Y, and those of Juventus in O, N, and M, thereby eliminating possible trouble by keeping the hardcore fans apart. How Do I Pay My Green Bin Charge Liverpool? I cried in the Olimpico that night, for Juve, for me, and for the 39. As for justice, an initial inquiry by Marina Coppieters, a leading Belgian judge, found after 18 months that the police and the authorities, in addition to Liverpool supporters, should face charges. Uefa selected a dilapidated venue for the 1985 final and allocated block Z at the predominantly Liverpool end to "neutral" fans. They left on foot with their baby boy and have been missing since despite an extensive police search. The seeds of Heysel were sown 12 months earlier in Rome when Liverpool fans were subjected to vicious attacks by Italians with no intervention from the Italian police, more than 40 liverpool fans were seriously injured (mostly stabbings) yet UEFA took no action against Roma. The attitude of many of our fans towards Heysel has always troubled me somewhat. The only place to visit for all your LFC news, videos, history and match information. The fact that there were obviously many other factors at play which actually contributed to the deaths, has perhaps given us an out which we are sometimes too keen to take. I was there and despite some expressions of sorrow, regret and portion of responsibility, I dont feel these have made their way into the public consciousness. They do at least now have a memorial plaque at Anfield, they do have extensive coverage of the tragedy on their official website and they do pay tribute on May 30 every year, even if it took far too long for the club to recognise the tragedy and the stain it had left not unlike Sheffield Wednesday with Hillsborough, although the circumstances there involved appalling failures at executive level. Do not sell or share my personal information. Why is there a 96 on the Liverpool shirt? It took ten minutes before they found out, and then asked me to pay the full museum fee to go in to pay my respects. You can choose on each post whether you would like it to be posted to Facebook. Is it true that the actions of the few hindered other clubs, like our Merseyside neighbours Everton, and sent them crashing in to mediocrity? ", Lawson is resigned to a hostile reception in Turin in 11 days' time. Constance's ancestors: Lt. Cdr George Marten with wife Mary and daughters Victoria, Charlotte and Georgina. We will automatically post your comment and a link to the news story to your Facebook timeline at the same time it is posted on MailOnline. "It was all right at first. Ms Marten's father, Napier Marten (pictured), was a pageboy to Queen Elizabeth II before giving up his 115million fortune after an 'epiphany' that told him to flee his 'materialistic' life. I was only 14 years old then, but I will always remember being sprayed with CS gas by someone who tapped on our taxi window, as we thought, to ask directions. The baby is swaddled. New inquests into the disaster are probing allegations of a complex series of failures by the authorities on the day. The blame for Heysel was initially laid entirely on Liverpool fans, and 14 were later found guilty of manslaughter and jailed. Liverpool fans breached the fence and charged. Some 200 officers are working on the search and have scoured through more than 200 hours of CCTV footage since the pair were last seen on January 7. This is no excuse for what happened that night but it does explain why a clubs fans with 21 years of spotless fans behaviour suddenly changed that night. Before the first leg at Anfield, Liverpool supporters held up a mosaic to form the word amicizia. All of these have important elements of truth in them but they were also ways of avoiding responsibility. Those bereaved and outraged by Hillsborough have fought to keep their campaign for justice alive and been entirely vindicated for doing so. This got me thinking, as I am only 23 myself, to read into the Heysel disaster a bit more as it isnt covered widely by the media at all and you dont really hear about it until that day in May arrives. As a Chelsea season ticket holder for many years, I witnessed the Heysel disaster unfold in front of me on television. I myself have been labelled murderer by fans of certain teams, even though I was only just walking at the time. We boarded the coach and there was glass everywhere as most of the windows had been smashed. The people that were found guilty of manslaughter do not represent the true values of Liverpool football club. "The club and certainly its supporters feel ashamed of what happened, because quite quickly after the events we were beginning to look for ways of explaining it that did not concern us," he says. WebAnswer (1 of 5): Not a Liverpool fan, but by Juventus, I assume you mean Heysel? I was in section Z. Their are bad people in every city and all we can do is apologise. An excellent, thoughtful and honest piece of writing. Two days later Uefa announced an indefinite ban on English clubs. The ones I left one evening at around 8pm were gone the next morning before 8am. Poor boardroom decisions and transfer policy became the running theme of Everton in the 1990s. From The good people of Liverpool, how could we ever express our sorrow for what we did @ Heysel ? Jacques Georges, the Uefa president at the time, and Hans Bangerter, his general secretary, were threatened with imprisonment but eventually given conditional discharges. Its just everything that happened at Hillsborough has been mirrored. http://tomkinstimes.com/2013/05/heysel-25-years-on-book-extract/ Your email address will not be published. Green Shield Stamps. As was stated in this article Heysel was waiting to happen, its a pity the authorities did not learn from what happened in Rome and other previous games to put a strategy in place to prevent the inevitable. by derekdwc - 1st Mar 2009 4:34pm. There is an opportunity albeit a further year down the line next May on the unbelievably 30th anniversary I really hope we mobilise to do somethings genuine and large. Britain's biggest mass-extradition began at 1025 BST when two large vans transported the prisoners from Wormwood Scrubs in London to an RAF base in Oxfordshire. Albert Roosens, the former secretary-general of the Belgian Football Union (BFU), was given a six-month suspended prison sentence for regrettable negligence with regard to ticketing arrangements. Investigators say the couple appear to know how to evade authorities as CCTV footage shows them covering their faces or looking away making the search for them harder. There is no doubt that English clubs suffered as a result. Little wonder then that 12 months later at Heysel Liverpool fans were packed cheek by jowl with Juventus fans trouble was bound to occur. However, there have been several sightings including in Essex and East London, Ms Marten and her partner Mark Gordon have been missing since January 5 after their car broke down and caught fire on the M61. The fact is and still is, that the then Liverpool FC board blamed my club, along with West Ham and Millwall for the disaster at Heysel and to this day they have never issued an apology of any sort whatsoever. Presumably even less so in Turin. That was always dangerous.". The Heysel Stadium was never used for a football match again until it was demolished in 1994. Truth is a word that Liverpool fans have held dear since 1989. One man remains in the UK awaiting trial for a separate offence. In fact their fortunes didnt change until just before the ban on English clubs was lifted five years after Heysel. The Heysel Stadium was never used for a football match again until it was demolished in 1994. But you cant hate the beautiful game forever and in 96 I travelled again, to Rome this time, and saw Juve lift the trophy in joyous circumstances. Of the clubs first European Cup triumph in 1985, it says: The long-awaited success in Europe s highest accolade was tainted with sadness Something unexplainable happened . Date 29 May 1985 Deaths 39 And where have you heard that before? Do Football Players Stay In Hotels Before Home Games? The prosecutions stemmed from television camera footage of the charge the third such charge in a matter of minutes that led directly to the deaths of those 39 innocent spectators. Approximately an hour before the JuventusLiverpool final was due to kick off, Liverpool supporters charged at Juventus supporters and breached a fence that was separating them from a neutral area. The assistance youve provided so far has been invaluable. For many years the bereaved met with what they perceived to be a sense of denial from Juventus about a disaster that overshadowed the clubs long-awaited first European Cup win. It was a sad day for our club, and I will never forget the fans that died then, but I was there, as a boy, and its something that will remain with me forever. There was no hint of an apology. The weight, added to the poorly maintained construction, meant that the wall collapsed. Personalmente quella coppa la considero solo una amara statistica, e penso che nessuno sano di mente la possa associare ad una vittoria delluna o ad una sconfitta dellaltra squadra. Since then I have left shirts, scarves, flowers and poems in honour of the deceased and also of both clubs. Liverpool are a club touched by tragedy. This is progress. The English club supporters may be charged with manslaughter for their charge towards Juventus fans which led to a wall collapsing onto the panicked Italians as they tried to escape. I think there needs to be a full disclosure and a written in depth report to help the football community understand the circumstances surrounding that awful night, and thats not to excuse any of the LFC fans that were found responsible. "But it wasn't until after Hillsborough that I realised quite what had happened at Heysel. May 29th 1985 will go down as one of footballs darkest days. At Anfield I originally had to search for the plaque, asking security staff, the museum and the stadium tour folk before a player who was there finally took me to it. The 1985 European Cup Final featured Liverpool the champions of England and European Cup holdersand Juventus the champions of Italy and holders of the UEFA Cup Winners Fri 1 Apr 2005 18.20 EST. As kick-off approached, the number of missiles increased, again from both sides, until eventually a group of English fans charged and broke through the fence, causing many of the missile-throwing people on the edges of Z to retreat and pen the rest of the section against a broken down perimeter wall. The ban on English clubs in Europe was indefinite, with the only proviso being that Liverpool FC would be banned for three years longer than the other English clubs. They were seen around Colchester on Friday January 6 and Saturday 7, when they took another taxi to East Ham Station in Newham, London, and were last seen. The world was appalled. How Much Is The Bus From Liverpool Airport To Liverpool One? Despite this, they continued to win trophies and dominate English football until their last league title in 1990, after which a combination of poor management and outdated boardroom policies reduced Liverpools ability to compete with emerging clubs. He is still scarred by what he witnessed that night. Hugely painful though it may be, that is easier to come to terms with than acknowledging even the smallest culpability for the earlier disaster. The disaster occurred at a football match between Liverpool and Nottingham Forest. Liverpool are a club touched by tragedy. I am a Chelsea fan who has been going to games for over 50 years now and I vividly remember the Liverpool chairman of the time, blaming Chelsea fans for causing the violence. Allt's account depicts Liverpool's travelling army as scallies not sadists, supporting themselves through petty theft and blagging, and resorting to violence only when provoked. Ten years before Heysel, during the 1975 European Cup Final between Leeds United and Bayern Munich, a large group of Leeds supporters attacked their German counterparts, as well as match officials and even the players, after a Peter Lorimer goal was controversially disallowed. Mark Gordon, 48, and partner Constance Marten, 35, have been at the centre of a nationwide police hunt for two weeks as fears have grown for the welfare of Miss Marten's newborn baby. For a long time, with so little other information, those images allowed me to let myself believe the poor fan behaviour was from both sides and the tragedy could just as easily have befallen Liverpool fans. While theres not a whole lot we can about that, we can at least show some solidarity with our fellow supporters, who understand what its like to loose people so unnecessarily at a football match. Heysel Stadium disaster, tragedy at an association football match on May 29, 1985, at Heysel Stadium in Brussels, Belgium, that resulted in 39 deaths and 400 injuries. The Met Police have now taken over the investigation. Yes it was wrong for Robinson to point the finger of blame towards fans of Chelsea with regards to Heysel, I can understand your anger at that. As a result of the ban, many English club sides failed to achieve European heights, and their financial rewards. America wants answers, not your infuriatingly smug denial of a national scandal, Did the Hunter investigation turn Biden's lawyers into a 'cleaning crew?' 'Please do this for your child. When we arrived myself and a mate got on a tram to the Vatican and was told by a Roma fan that if they won the game we would be invited to the biggest party party ever, if they lost he advised us to get of Rome quickly or we would be seriously hurt. For many years, Liverpool s response to Heysel was woefully inadequate. Over time, there was a recognition that more much more needed to be done. This was not a knee-jerk reaction to a one-off night of mayhem. Thanks for this sensitive, balanced and honest article. Thirty-nine people were crushed to death. WebAnswer (1 of 2): There are close parallels between Hillsborough and Heysel - disasters waiting to happen at two dilapidated stadiums, which hosted major games with poor ticketing arrangements and "negligent policing. Its certainly not talked about much though, and for the most part, the reason for that is shame. Supporters told similar stories on the way home, some had been slashed on the arse and had spent time in hospital. By the time the game eventually kicked-off, Juventus fans were still fighting a battle against police using bottles, broken stones, and missiles. WebLiverpool Fans took most of the blame for Heysel, looking at the facts, there were lots of contributing factors and I have seen a few comments from rival fans that they had experienced close disasters at European stadiums, due to the state of stadiums/organisation/police, English fans were treated very confrontational as they had Police said they are concerned that neither Miss Marten nor her baby have been assessed by medical professionals since she gave birth. Record defeat at Anfield: 06 against Sunderland in First Division, 19 April 1930. It is understood Miss Marten has not been in contact with her family for some time. There is nothing to suggest that any of them have come to any sort of intentional harm we just need to ensure they are okay, especially the baby, and do not require any medical assistance for any underlying issues. Some of the visiting Juventus fans applauded. When Heysel happened, Liverpool FC tried to displace the blame from their fans. Fans blamed the police, or the ground, or said the slaughter was in retaliation for attacks by supporters of Roma after Liverpool had won the previous years cup in Rome. The couple were later evicted from their Ilford home, moving to the Coldharbour Estate in southeast London. Juventus, for what it was worth, went on to win the game 1-0 after officials acted to continue the game to avoid further incitement to the crowd. At the Shankly Gates an eternal flame burns inside the Hillsborough memorial, a red marble wall bearing the names of the 96 dead and adorned with fresh flowers laid by the bereaved and the outraged alike. But its easy to cloud the day with football rivalries and tribalism. Despite two subsequent apologies, the paper has been shunned in Liverpool ever since. Of all the club sides affected by the ban, Liverpool were hardest hit, missing three European Cups, two UEFA Cups, and a Cup Winners Cup. ), a Juve fan or two, or an author of one of the few books written on Heysel? As to whether individuals were brought to account, 27 arrests were made on suspicion of manslaughter and 26 men were charged. WebHeysel Stadium disaster, tragedy at an association football match on May 29, 1985, at Heysel Stadium in Brussels, Belgium, that resulted in 39 deaths and 400 injuries. Shocking and accurate. WebThirty-two Italians, four Belgians, two French and one Northern Irishman were killed. Ciao, scrivo dallItalia. We stop on May 29 each year and think of them, and Liverpool fans too young to have seen it, or been there, look at their names and mourn. A me non neanche piaciuta lesultanza finale della mia Juventus. That has always saddened me. With regards to Heysel, its not my experience that they dont accept responsibility. The extradition warrants were signed on 9 September 1986, but a year of argument from lawyers representing the accused men has held up the proceedings. Who was to blame at Heysel? On 11 May 1985, a 14-year-old boy died at St. Andrews Stadium when police forced fans against a wall, which collapsed under the pressure following violence at the match between Birmingham City and Leeds United. Supporters of rival teams chant Murderers and the Liverpool fans have little response. Liverpool are a great club, but their fans have always been a disgrace, we see it time and time again, they have no respect for any other club or its supporters and as we have all just seen after their first Premier league win in 30 years, nothing changes in the violence and destruction which was apparent in and around the City centre. A former classmate described Ms Marten as a 'very talented' actress who 'could have gone very far', before becoming estranged from her wealthy family. It is an unwanted corner of history. ", Anfield remains almost mute on the subject of the Heysel disaster, Original reporting and incisive analysis, direct from the Guardian every morning. UEFAs response was to ban Leeds from European competition for four years. WebThe actions of the minority of Liverpool supporters who charged the Z zone contingent at Heysel was inexcusable, however Juventus fans cannot be excused from blame. The same year, she reportedly started living with Mark Gordon in Ilford, East London. Some had previous convictions for football-related violence, but hadnt been prevented from travelling by the British authorities. Football, from that moment, would never be the same again. Its a joyless success, but the victory enabled the Bianconeri to fly to Tokyo in winter to play the Intercontinental Cup final. I guess that was the only chance many English football hooligans had to travel abroad to cause mayhem, as their teams didnt provide them with that opportunity back then. In addition, more than 760 were injured. It is not hard to grasp why. I was born in 1983, just under two years before the European Cup Final between Liverpool FC and Juventus, and so Ive grown up in its' shadow as a Liverpool supporter. We dont need reciprocation but the lack of it undermines Liverpools great history. Thirty-nine peoplemostly Italians and Juventus fanswere killed and 600 were injured in the confrontation. Juventus supporters retreated until they were forced against a retaining wall that collapsed, killing 38 Italians and a Belgian. As a British 17 year old Juve fan, I travelled to Heysel on the Liverpool train/ferry and stood on the terraces with the Livetpool fans. Only a few hundred caused the trouble that led to the deaths, Uefa were partly culpable for the stadium choice, ticket allocation and the stadium authorities for the pathetic segregation of fans & policing. 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